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Alfred George Forsyth
1869 - 1923

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• Birth	1869	Redfern Reg. No 3803/1869
  Gender	Male
  Died	11 Aug 1923	Manly Reg No 15615/1923
  Person ID	I035	RopemakerDymocks
  Last Modified	30 Jul 2018

  
  

  Father	Archibald Forsyth,   b. 10 Mar 1826, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland ,   d. 15 Mar 1908, Randwick Reg No 2996/1908
  Mother	Sarah Corbett,   b. c 1827,   d. 8 Aug 1876, Manila House, Bourke St,Sydney. Sydney Reg No 1719/1876
  Married	21 Jan 1854	Melbourne. Victoria Reg No 337/1854
  Family ID	F005	Group Sheet

  
  

  Family	Annie Isabelle Smith,   d. 21 Sep 1949, Sacred Heart Hospice Darlinghurst late of 5 Cremorne Rood Cremorne Point
  Married	10 Jan 1900	St Michaels, Flinders St, Surry Hills, Sydney
  Children	1. Alice H Forsyth,   b. 1910, Manly Reg No 40248/1910 ,   d. 1910, Manly Reg No 14141/1910
  Last Modified	28 Aug 2017
  Family ID	F184	Group Sheet

  
  

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  The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1871 - 1912) Sat 27 Jan 1900 Page 236 Family Notices FORSYTH SMITH. January 10, at St. Michael's, Surry Hills, by the Rev. J. N. Manning. LL.D., George Alfred Forsyth to Annie Isobel Smith. The Daily Telegraph Mon 13 Aug 1923 Page 4 FORSYTH. 11th August, 1923, at Manly, George Alfred, dearly- loved husband of Annie Isabel Forsyth, of "Waiwera," Bayview, aged 54 years. FORSYTH . The Funeral of the late GEORGE ALFRED FORSYTH will take place THIS DAY; MONDAY, at 3 p.m, in the Randwick Cemetery, Long Bay Road. City, friends kindly meet Funeral at Fort Macquarie. at 2.30 p.m. T. WAUGH and CO. Telephone, Manly 42. Nepean Times (Penrith, NSW : 1882 - 1962) Saturday 18 August 1923 p 4 Mr. G. A. Forsyth. Mr. George Alfred Forsyth, an ex resident of Penrith. died at Manly on Saturday last, at the ago of 54 years. Deceased was a director and secretary of Alexander Forsyth and .Co., .Ltd., the pioneer rope manufacturers of the State. He was the fourth son of Alex ander Forsyth, the founder of the business. He lived in Penrith for some thing like 15 years, and resided at Kenilworth, 'Mt. Pleasant. He also had an irrigation farm at Emu Plains, which has since become the prison farm Mr. Forsyth was well liked in the dis trict, being of a very affable disposition. He left Penrith about eight years ago, and for some time had beeen residing at Bayview. He leaves a widow, but no children. The Daily Telegraph Wed 15 Aug 1923 Page 10 OBITUARY MR. G. A. FORSYTH. The death occurred at Man)y on Saturday of Mr. George Alfred Forsyth, who was director and secretary of Alexander Forsyth , and Co., Ltd., the. pioneer, rope manufacturers in the State. Deceased was the forth son of Alexander Forsyth, founder of the business, and was a well-known figure in commercial circles, in which he enjoyed much popularity. He resided at "Waiwera," Bayview, and was 54 years of age. The funeral took place yesterday at Long Bay cemetery, when Rev. "W. J. Cakebread officiated. Those present at the graveside were: Mrs. Forsyth (widow), Mr. W. F. Forsyth (brother), Mr. F. A. Thorpe (brother-in-law), Mr. Colin Thorpe (nephew), Meesrs. W. J., W. P., and J. M. Forsyth (cousins), Dr. Muckle, F. O. Orridge, W. Moore, de Stoffell, C. J. Saunders, F. Bean, E. C. Grant, P. Clune, Levi, E. H. Wagson, M. G. Webster, O. Kindopost. - Over 100 employees of the firm met the cortege at the cemetery gates and preceded the hearse in the procession. Possible marriage 2554/1888 FORSYTH ALFRED FIFE (or FYFE) ISABELLA GLEBE Nepean Times (Penrith, NSW : 1882 - 1962) Saturday 23 January 1915 p 3 EMU PLAINS GOVERNMENT FARM In reference to the purchase of Forsyth's farm at Emu Plains by the Government, for an assay under State auspices in the agricultural and horti- cultural domain, we learn that the Premier (Hon W A Holman), in company with Mr G Huddleston, A.M. Can. Soc. C.E. (Supervising Engineer in connection with Irrigation surveys, etc., in this district), recently visited the property, and that the Premier thought highly of the farm and its possibilities. The primary idea of working the farm is to supply vegetables to the State prisoners, and we learn good progress is being made with regard to the cultivation of vegetables in that respect. It is expected that prolific yields will be raised from the farm. The cost of purchase, plant, and housing accommodation for those working on the farm, runs, we believe, into the vicinity of £10,000. We understand the Forsyth's Farm purchase is in furtherance of Mr Hol- man's idea as exemplified in the Ton- curry re-afforestation and horticultural development scheme, of utilising prison labor to the best advantage, and Mr Hall (Attorney-General) is, presumably, extending the idea in the case of the working of the Emu Plains Farm. Nepean Times (Penrith, NSW : 1882 - 1962) Saturday 26 June 1915 p 2 The Emu (State) Farm It would probably seem to, says a denizen of another world -- if there be denizens of other worlds, within, by the way, a more or less '' fixed,'' if not affirmed, opinion, of a great many people ? a somewhat peculiar thing on visiting the earth to make a study of its '' institutions,'' to find that contemporaneous with the waging of the most terrific and devastating war of the centuries, efforts were be- ing put underweigh in the sphere of political and corrective econ- omy to harmonise or perhaps we should say modernise, and frame, in kindlier grooves, the met- hods of governing applied to those ad- judged to be offenders against the laws of the State and society. If such a visitor were capable of distinguishing incongruities, it would surely seem to him paradoxical that such a philanthropic, or sociological, experiment as that of the State in- dustrial farm at Emu, under the aegis of the Comptroller of Prisons, should have been initiated, and have started operations during the currency of a war, which designedly on one side (Germany's), and unavoidably (be- cause defensively) on the other side, is, in the nature of events, the very antithesis of the kindlier conception of the humanities, as illustrated by the Emu Farm. War, however, and especially such an unprecedented war as the present conflict, is an abnormal thing, whatever be its ethics; while such developments as that of the Emu farm are indicative of that saner conception of Government which would not only straighten out the warped web of individual kinks in the line of immature depravity by that modern policy of kindliness which aims at getting '' the best '' out of its subject, but is also even a step forward, precursory of that better way of settling international disputes by eradicating personal vices, which is surely an ultimate of a saner civi- lisation. This somewhat extraneous preface to our report of a recent visit of our representative to the Emu farm ? which some eighteen months ago, or thereabouts, was purchased by the State Government from Mr G Forsyth for the purpose of raising vegetables and arable crops (to sup- ply State institutions) by means of utilising the labor of approved batches of good conduct prisoners selected from confines in certain prisons of the State ? this preface is, perhaps, in order, if only by way of contrasting the ever sane and kindly outlook of our esteemed Attorney-General (Hon. D R Hall) and the Comptroller of Prisons, etc., with that opposite ob- jective of such infamous disturbers of the World's Peace as the Kaiser and his myrmidons. The Emu State Farm is situated about two miles from Penrith, and comprises 107 acres of rich fertile land, in a most picturesque and fav- ored position as it is adjacent to the broad Nepean, on its eastern boun- dary, and is admirably contiguous to railway facilities which are, so to speak, at the very door of the farm- stead. The Emu Railway Station, etc., is, in fact, scarcely more than a quarter of a mile from the official and men's quarters, and hard by the farm overseer's cottage. Our representative, on making his errand known on Saturday morning last, to the officer in charge, Senior Warden J J Manning, was received with the greatest courtesy, and it is not too much to say that we have never met a more courteous, and better accredited officer and super- visor of such an institution that Mr Manning, who is beyond doubt, the right man in the right place. We would also here like to make a simi- lar reference to the other capable officers of the establishment, and to express, en passant, our acknowledge- ment of their courtesy. The first batch of workers (ten in number) arrived at the farm on 12th April, being good conduct prisoners from Goulburn Gaol, and they were under the charge of Senior Warden McArthur, (now in charge of State Afforestation Camp, Toncurry, Taree district), with Warders Templeton and Ruane ? the latter officers being still engaged at Emu. Warder Killian is also on the staff. The Agricultural Department, under whose auspices the developmental working of the estab- lishment is being carried but, per the governance of the Comptroller of Pris- ons officially, had erected suitable huts ? sound, comfortable, wooden cribs, lined with pine, for the prisoners, and also, of course, had officers' quar- ters temporarily fitted up. There are at present 13 confinees at the farm, and their robust health and general fitness physically, is a fine testimonial to the action of the De- partment, in, as it were, lifting the business of prison discipline from the dark atmosphere of cloistered re- pression into the purer air of reason which at Emu collaborates with the hygienic, and the healthful, and con- tentedly industrious aspects of life. The dietary scale of the confinees, which is set out on the printed al- lowance card kept in each hut or cabin, provides that the following daily rations shall be issued to each pirson:? 1½ lbs of bread, ,6ozs oat- meal, 1lb meat, 1lb vegetables, 3ozs sugar, ¼lb rice, moieties of salt and tea; while those obtaining full good conduct marks are awarded 3ozs tobacco weekly, and 3ozs of cheese is also permitted those who desire it in the daily ration while working. Each prisoner is provided with comfortable kapok bedding, two sheets, two blan- kets, a rug, and pillow ; and on the score of comfort has nothing to com- plain of, and, as a matter of fact, contentment, bar the natural impulse to be restored to the full enjoyment of general liberty, is the keynote of the establishment. One of the num- ber is selected as cook, and from our observations his standard of ability, if not equal to that of the chef of Holland House or that of the Hotel Australia, is well abreast of the aver- age amateur, and perhaps '' good en- ough '' for a greater emergency. Commendable provision has also been made for the spiritual and men- tal recreation of the men, each being provided with a copy of the Scrip- tures and Prayer Book, etc., of his religious denomination (kept in the hut), while there is also a well-stock- ed general library containing a num- ber of volumes of healthy tone in biography, travel, poetry, fiction etc. We understand that on the last visit of the Minister, on 5th June, he re- commended obtaining a further supply of books for the library. On this oc- casion the Hon D R Hall (Attorney General) was accompanied by Mrs Hall, and the Comptroller of Prisons (Mr McCauley). Mr Hall, in saying a few words to the men referred to the advantage they possessed in having the privilege of leading an out-of- doors life, away from the hum-drum surroundings of others not so circum- stanced, which they should appre- ciate by becoming the best of citi- zens. We may add that the local ministers regularly visit the farm, as chaplains. The hut-ware of the prisoners com- prises a tin dish, pint pot, water-pot, dirt-pan, and dinner-pail, all of tin- ware, which are kept as bright as new pins, and, in fact, the conduct of the quarters generally gives a striking object lesson of cleanliness and '' household order '' of the kind. Each confinee is also provided with a '' compendium,'' compiled under or- ders of the Comptroller of Prisons, for issue to well-conducted prisoners, giving an up-to-date summary of the progress of the war, state of labour market, and opportunities; locality of abandoned goldfields (for fossicking purposes, no doubt), report of the Prisoner's Aid Association; and news and notes of the kind likely to bene- fit a person on being released, in his endeavours to find remunerative lab- our, etc. It will be seen from such evidences that the aim of the Prisons Depart- ment is remedial in a truly benevo- lent sense, and shows how far the modern Democratic spirit has fused the progressive ideas of the capable officers at the head of the State's social corrective system; and how far we have left behind the baleful met- hods of the past. In view of the discriminating ideas and efforts of our present authorities it seems than the famous inscription on the Old Tol- booth prison, Edinburgh, may be con- troverted so far as its general appli- cation might be cited in our (Austra- lian) methods. That '' Inscription '' written, supposedly, by a titled deni- zen of the old Scottish prison runs as follows ? A prison is a house of care, A place where none can thrive, A touchstone true to try a friend, A grave for one alive. Such a description would certainly be very '' misleading '' if applied to the Emu Farm '' Penitentiary.'' It may be interesting to state that in addition to the ordinary remission awarded to confinees for good con- duct, it is also possible for the mem- bers of the Emu Farm Company to gain, each, 2½ extra days remission per month, as a consequence of ob- taining the full quota of marks in favor of the individual's conduct. The men, apparently, take the deep- est interest in the work of the farm, and as a matter of fact, Mr Manning remarks that the results attained in the personal and general improvement and conduct of the men are beyond his best expectations, based on 21 years' experience of the routine and surroundings of penal establishments. The men turn out an early hour, are told off after breakfast to their vari- ous tasks, have their meals in due course, and are allowed to amuse themselves with reading, or indoor games ? chess, droughts, dominoes, etc., from 6.30 to 8 p.m., at which hour they are locked up, each in his own '' caboose,'' secure from intrusion, let us hope, of '' the cares (if any) that infest the day,'' as also from war's alarms, and other non-essentials of remedial havens. All lights are out at 9 p.m., after which hour silence, if not Somnus, reigns supreme. The inmates of the establishment at pre- sent are all first offenders from Goul- burn Gaol. We understand, it is the aim of the authorities to make pro- vision for the accommodation of a total complement of 32 men in the near future. Official Buildings. The officers occupy temporary quarters at present, antecedent to the building of the permanent structure, now in course of erection. The new buildings are probably the first to be built of the reinforced concrete material in the Emu Plains district. As explained by Mr Mellish, the cour- teous foreman of works, representing the Agricultural Department, whom we were fortunate enough to find on the spot on Saturday morning, the material of which the walls of the new officers' quarters, the recreation hall, dining-room, kitchen, etc., are being built is more properly designa- ted Ash Concrete, the ratio of parts being 5 to 8 ashes to 1 concrete. We understand that buildings of this material can be erected at consider- ably cheaper rates than stone or brickwork, and are practically safe to endure for ages. We are informed the ash concrete building will prove comparatively cooler in the summer, and warmer in winter than the aver- age hall, or dwelling, and of its solid- ity there can be no manner of doubt. The ceilings of the Emu Farm build- ings will be of fibro cement, and the roofing of galvanised iron. Between the officers' dining-room and kitchen, now under erection, there is a '' liptie '' arch, 8ft in width, and some 12ft high, and the appearance of the buildings will be ornate and worthy of their picturesque position. The officers' quarters, comprising office, sitting-room, bedrooms, and dining-room in the one block, will be surrounded by a verandah, the posts of which stand on concrete piers of ornate design. It is expected that the buildings will be habitable with- in the next three months, or earlier. They will certainly form very nice and presentable landmarks on their area of the Emu Countryside, and will no doubt, have '' great remarking '' to apply the term of Robbie Burns, the Scottish poet in like circumstan- ces. The Farm's Tillage Aspects. As we have earlier stated the farm has an area of 107 acres, and had been worked by the previous occu- pier (Mr G Forsyth) to considerable advantage. The Nepean's inexhaus- tible stream sweeps around its north- eastern base and ensures a constant and copious water supply, which is being availed of on most up-to-date lines by the capable superintendent, Mr Chapman, who came direct from the Cowra State Experimental Farm to guide agricultural operations on the Emu property in September last year. By the way, Mr H Reynolds brother of the Rev J A Reynolds, of St. Paul's E.C., Emu Plains, is present Superintendent of the Cowra Farm; on which Mr Chapman had an ex- perience of some 17 years. To complete our references, how- ever, to the topography of the Emu Farm, it is contiguous on its western boundary to Mr E Colless' property, and is adjacent to Mr Magrath's pad- docks on the eastern side, with the railway line in the near distance. The Arcadian, terraced foothills of the Blue Mountains, with pretty '' breaks '' of ilex-clad and lightly timbered landscape between them (hills) and the farm, stretch away to the south-west, an amphitheatre of upland beauty gained in the green and golden tinted foliage of the Australian bushland. So the Emu farm has an enduring patriotic setting and is at once a eclogue, a pastoral and a haven of milk and honey, which delights alike the eye of the artist and the industrialist, and is a promising asset in more ways than one of the Nepean District and the Nation. The water-raising plant in use com- prises an 8-inch centrifugal pump (Zollner model) driven by a 10 H.P. Hornsby Engine, the present output being 800 gallons per minute; a trench some 4ft in width and 2½ft depth, fitted at serviceable distances with flood-gates, runs the length of the plots laid out for lucerne, oats and vegetable-growing in the western area of the farm, so the great desider- atum of sufficient water is assured. An area of about 15ac is being devot- ed to lucerne 25ac to oats, and 5ac to vegetables, chiefly cabbages and onions on the western side of field, while it is also intended to grow large quantities of potatoes, which, it is alleged by some far- mers, have not acclimatised so well in the Nepean country as on the tablelands. Mr F W West, the Vegetable-raising Expert, lately ap- pointed to the charge of that branch of the work of the Farm, and who had arrived from Adelaide on the morn- ing of our rep's visit, remarked that he liked the look of the soil for pota- toes, and other vegetables, and had no misgivings as to obtaining prolific results with average seasons. In one plot shown us by Mr Chap- man, who took particular pains to explain the gist of the cultivation methods, etc., there are no less than 9,000 cabbage plants, flanked by long beds of onions, the cabbages being spring varieties; an acre and a half is devoted to carrots and turnips. Mr Chapman is a strong believer in green manuring, and had a crop of cowpeas put in some time ago to reno- vate the soil for the growing of fodder crops. He is using stable manure lightly in the preparation of soil for his vegetables, but, also fav- ors the use of superphosphate bone- dust, guano, etc., under certain con- ditions. Mr West, however, will henceforth have the vegetable do- main under his special charge, and that phase of the operations will be carried out according to his expert ideas. Mr Chapman last year ob- tained some 75 tons of lucerne hay off the area, of which the greater part was sofa; the Wagga Model Farm authorities taking over 30 tons of the amount. Mr Chapman was as- sociated at Cowra Experimental Farm with Mr E J Sutton (then superintend- dent Cowra), who is now Commission- er of the wheat belt in W.A., and in- cidentally, talking of wheat, Mr Chapman expressed the view that the Thew seed ? one of the '' discoveries '' of that notable wheat-stocks genera- tor, the late Mr Farrar (with whom Mr Chapman was intimately acquaint- ed) is the best rust-resistant variety yet produced, and, probably, the most likely to yield a payable crop on Ne- pean soils, on which it is said by some farmers wheat cannot be suc- cessfully grown. En passant, we might ask that energetic body, the St Marys Agricultural Bureau, to note Mr Chapman's observations as to the rust-resisting quality of '' Thew '' wheat. The farm horses on the place have been all purchased up by the Agri- cultural Department, and are, nec- essarily, of good staunch, reliable types. There is in particular a fine upstanding dark-bay, a light draught that would be hard to beat in his class in any show-ring, and a stocky powerful Clydesdale, fit, as a wag once said of such a horse to the writ- er, '' to draw the Bank of England out of Chancery.'' If such an im- possible feat could be accomplished by an equine on Terra Firma, one or other of those two splendid plough horses at Emu Farm should be equal to the emergency. In ploughing up the soil for fallow- ing some time ago on part of the area the ploughman (one of the con- finees) unearthed a relic of the old penal days in a set of rusty hand- cuffs, the workmanship of which in- dicates that the '' darbies '' were meant '' more for use than for orna- ment.'' This mute but stern witness of the period of the chain-gangs, the triangles, and the cat-o'-nine tails, etc., may be seen at Mr Chapman's cottage. The gyves referred to are darkly reminiscent of that rugged period in early history, to which the words used by Richard Cullen Bryant, the old American poet of the human- ities, on the cessation of slavery in the United States (America), may be applied, viz. ? Go now, accursed of God, and take thy place With hateful memories of the older time. Happily, the new dispensation of the hygienic order of discipline in oper- ation at Emu Farm has nothing in common with the oft fiendish and inhuman methods of that foul and de- grading system of the long ago. We must not omit to mention that the general blacksmithing required on the farm is done at the forge near the overseer's cottage, which had formerly been, we believe, the pig- gery of Mr Forsyth. It is intended, we understand, to go in for more technical work in the smithy line at a subsequent period. Mr Chapman's office was erstwhile the late occu- pant's dairy, but bye and bye more up-to-date offices will be erected here as at the main quarters. As some- thing of a connoisseur in Australian botany, Mr Chapman has tabulated in his office quite a number of plants and weeds more or less indigenous to the Emu District, such as Fennel (bot- anic name ? Chenopodian Carindium), Hoarhound (Murrumbian vilgare), Wiregrass or Knotweed (Polygonum aviculare), Fat Hen (Chenopodium album), Bathurst Burr (Xanthium spinosem), Hogweed, Docks, Milk Thistle and amongst others, '' Three corners '' (Enex Australis), which our informant reckons one of the most noxious of the weeds grown locally, though Bathurst Burr, and in their seas- on, Darling Pea, and Star Thistle are quite as bad we should imagine. It is intended to beautify the pre- cincts of the official headquarters and the detention area, generally, as we were informed by Mr Manning, by flower-beds, and shrubberies of elab- orate design, and thus by the tech- nically ideal and harmonious further brighten the already pleasant sur- roundings of this al fresco haven of improvement. An up-to-date dwelling of ash con- crete material is also being erected for the use of the farm overseer and family, adjacent to his (Mr Chap- man's) present abode, which was for- merly Mr Forsyth's residence. A main road of approach, to be macadamised, we understand, bye and bye, has been lined out, running from the entrance to the official buildings, and will have a width of 30ft. This road will have, we understand, an avenue of shade trees later. In the course of further inquiries we learned that corn will be one of the staple crops of the farm, and we were shown a sample of the fine white variety already produced. Care will be taken to ensure that the Emu Farm corn crop will not deteriorate through avoidable causes which fre- quently affect the purity of maize crops. Bees, for instance, as we are informed by Mr Chapman carry pollen from different growths (corn) which sometimes impregnates the growing plants, with, or course, the result that a hybrid, or at best, an inferior type of grain is produced in part. For breaking up the land for corn planting a Cobb '' Swift Turn '' plough is used, and there are also Ransome and Sims Ploughs and a disc harrow in use. The Emu Farm land is first broken up (for fallowing) to a depth of about 7in., and later, '' skim '' ploughed to a depth of from 3 to 4 inches. It is not proposed to use a steam plough plant on the pro- perty, as the area is not large enough, and besides, the farm is not so much a Farming School, or Agricultural College, as an experiment in sociologi- cal discipline. The property is being enclosed by a rabbit-proof wire-netted fence, the sustaining posts being of ironbark, the height of fence (top-wire) being 4ft 6in. The netting (2in mesh) has been specially fixed as a deterrent to the depredations of our nibbling friend '' bunny,'' which may be expected to have a particular fancy for the luscious growths of the farm. The linear length of the fence is about 1½ miles, and will soon be fully com- pleted. From these observations it will be seen, no doubt, that the Emu State Farm at present in its infancy, is likely to become in due time (or so let us hope) one of the venerated ar- cadian institutions of the State, in that the object of its founders is to achieve by, practically, an appeal to Nature ? that Nature (which as the poet Cowper, says, somewhere) '' is but a name for an effect whose Cause is God ''? the reformation and bright- ening of errant subjects of the State; and it is an experiment the success of which all true humanists the world over will hail with pleasure. We have, in conclusion, to reiterate our acknowledgment of the courtesy and hospitality of the esteemed officer in charge, and of his kindly and well- accredited staff, and hope to have an opportunity of again reviewing the Emu Farm when its '' properties '' now underweigh will be going at '' full steam ahead.'' Sydney, Australia, Anglican Parish Registers, 1818-2011 Name: George Alfred Forsyth Gender: Male Marriage Age: 31 Event Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1869 Marriage Date: 10 Jan 1900 Marriage Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Father: Archibald Forsyth Mother: Sarah Elizabeth Forsyth Spouse: Annie Isabelle Smith Name: George Alfred Forsyth Gender: Male Notice Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 10 Jan 1900 Father: Archibald Forsyth Spouse: Annie Isobel Smith Newspaper: The Sydney Morning Herald Year Range: 1899 Sep 29 - 1900 Jan 24 Publication Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia